Experts Watch The Matrix

Posted 18 May 2003 at 15:23 UTC by steve Share This

A NewJersey.com article quotes inventor Ray Kurzweil, robotics expert Hans Moravec, and Nanotech engineer K. Eric Drexler on The Matrix Reloaded. Kurzweil expresses his usual optimistic view that we'll be able to do all the good things in The Matrix but none of the bad will happen. Moravec just says that machines are now out-evolving humans and we're done for. Drexler thinks it's mostly nonesense but does raise valid issues.

It's all in Evolution and Mother Nature, posted 19 May 2003 at 14:39 UTC by earlwb » (Master)

I think it's all Evolution. Man evolved, then we developed machines, and then machines evolve. If machines are better at evolution than we are, we lose out competively and machines win. It's all up to Mother Nature's the law of the fitest.

Ineresting thought but..., posted 19 May 2003 at 15:50 UTC by guad13 » (Observer)

Mother nature doesn't have as much of a domain in this category. The evolution of robots only goes as fast as we let it go right now. Our destruction by them is governed by how successful we want to be.

How do you know we weren't destined to...., posted 19 May 2003 at 16:14 UTC by earlwb » (Master)

How do you know that we weren't destined to create machines to replace us?

The Who connection?, posted 19 May 2003 at 17:59 UTC by motters » (Master)

I must admit when I went to see the first Matrix film at the cinema I wasn't impressed. The whole style of it looked dated - like a 1980s cyberpunk novel - and I thought it ended just as it was starting to get interesting. Hopefully the next film will be better.

Also I notice that in the cheesy 1970s episode of Dr Who called "the deadly assassin" the doctor also plugs himself into "the matrix" and does battle with bad guys. Were the makers of the matrix films Dr Who fans perchance?

- Bob

"Matrix" trivia, posted 19 May 2003 at 19:39 UTC by steve » (Master)

I believe the use of the term Matrix in geek circles to describe complex computer networks dates back to at least the early 1980s if not earlier. It was sometimes used to describe the interconnected mess that was made up of ARPAnet, Usenet, Fidonet, Bitnet, and other early internets. It could well date back even farther. The term was made famous by John S. Quarterman's book of the same name sometime around 1990.

The "Matrix" in Doctor Who first showed up in a late 1978 episode, The Deadly Assasin, and was a reference to the communications network that was connected to the Panopticon on Gallifrey but, practically, it was the same thing as "Cyberspace" which turned up a decade later in Gibson's book, Neuromancer; a VR representation of a computer internet. And the movie, The Matrix, is very derivitive of Neuromancer and cyberpunk in general, so your comments are right on. The difference, of course, is that the movie postulates that what we believe to be the real world is the matrix (or cyberspace or virtual realty or a dream whatever term you prefer).

Destiny..., posted 19 May 2003 at 21:02 UTC by guad13 » (Observer)

I could ask you how do you know that we were destined? But that wouldn't get anywhere. We have created machines to allow us to survive and flurish. The real question is: How ironic is life? Will the inginuity that has brought us to this point also destroy us in the future? Or will something else happen before that can happen? It boils down to a lot of interesting question with almost no answers. Fun to think about sometimes but last time I check, my field of study is electrical engineering--not philosophy.

I'm not an expert yet, posted 19 May 2003 at 23:17 UTC by The Swirling Brain » (Master)

I guess I'm not an expert since I haven't seen the matrix yet. I hope to watch it soon and therefore become an expert.

It All Depends ..., posted 21 May 2003 at 22:32 UTC by pauld2 » (Observer)

It all depends on what you are looking for in a movie. For me, I don't want to have to work too hard and hang onto every detail and conversation to enjoy it. Matrix was beyond me and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

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